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Old 24-02-2007, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ps3's made in Europe will no longer have full backwards compatibility

Sony has yet again decided to show its utter contempt for European gamers. All Playstation 3 consoles released from March 23rd onwards will no longer be 98% backwards compatible with PS2 games, it is now only 'limited'...

The following statement comes directly from Sony's head of UK PR David Wilson:

"PS one title backward compatibility has not changed and there will be a limited number of PS2 titles compatible - but PS3 is defined by key features such as the CELL broadband engine, its Blu-ray drive, the SIXAXIS Controller and its ability to output full 1080P HD game content which makes it an entertainment system for the future, without equal. Backwards compatibility is important but it does not define the PS3 in the same way as the other features do.

"We have been assessing the extent of backward compatibility, and will continue to do so right up until launch. It is therefore not possible to provide a specific number of backwards compatible titles at this stage. Users will be able to check whether their titles are compatible with PS3 by checking the list of compatible titles at http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc. This site will be available on March 23 to meet launch day.

"PS one titles remain backwards compatible and we will continue to assess the compatibility of PS2 titles right up until launch. We will continue to offer firmware upgrades to increase the number of titles that are compatible, but rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology.

"Whilst in the longer term these production related cost reductions will enable us to reduce the cost of PS3 to consumers (in the same way we have done with PS2 over its 6 year lifetime to date) SCE has no immediate plans for any price reduction on the platform.

"We will continue to assess the compatibility of existing and new PS2 titles, both first and third party."

So let's clarify. Rather than backwards compatibility being one of the core values of Playstation 3 it is now seemingly the least important aspect.

Sony really do not seem to have a clear vision of what they are trying to offer with the Playstation brand. On the one hand they are saying that the PS2 is far from dead, and with great games such as Okami, God of War II, Rogue Galaxy and Final Fantasy XII still being released this is certainly the case. Many Playstation fans will have sold their PS2 in the efforts to raise the funds for a PS3 and now may miss out on what is arguably the greatest library of games any console has to offer.

Removing part of the hardware of your next-generation console is not something that is done on the spur of the moment, meaning Sony have known this announcement was coming for months, yet they have chosen to wait until only four weeks before the launch of their console to reveal this, meaning many fans will have already pre-ordered the console. To add insult to injury they will not be informing potential PS3 owners which PS2 games their console can play until the date the console is released, so Sony fans will not be able to plan in advance which PS2 games they'll be playing on their PS3 in the event that the launch games disappoint.

Sony had the arrogance to criticise the backwards compatibility of their competitor and then underperform themselves. It won't be surprising if many fans see this latest broken promise as the straw that broke the camels back and cancel their pre-orders.

For some reason Sony feels that they can treat Europeans as a lesser species. Unfortunately, due to the way this industry works we are charged more for the Playstation 3 than any other territory, but this is the case for the Wii and 360 as well. But for Sony to admit that they are removing these hardware components to save money on production and yet still charge Europeans more money for a lesser product is an insult.

With Microsoft and Nintendo being increasingly Europe-friendly, Sony's attitude feels even more degrading. I call on Europeans to stand together and demand some respect!

Blogg: European PS3 gets reduced backwards compatibility | GameRoobie

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Old 24-02-2007, 04:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A ploy to continue to sell more ps2's? Wouldn't surprise me considering it sells as much if not more than next gen consoles.



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Old 24-02-2007, 04:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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do ya know what.. dont know about anyone else... im a little tired of all the "rah rah rah down with sony" crap...
Buy the system you want... play the system you buy...

If you dont like whats offered let you wallet be the "voice" of your arguement...

Hell the machine isnt out yet and look how many people slate it.

We're all go wii, go wii... How many are in your local store now? humm?

Probably NONE... so wheres all the "boo hiss nintendo couldnt organise a distribution exercise if it walked up and lay at their feet" threads?
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Old 24-02-2007, 04:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think it's sony's contempt for europe that is the issue not the machine itself.



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Old 24-02-2007, 04:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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do ya know what.. dont know about anyone else... im a little tired of all the "rah rah rah down with sony" crap...
Buy the system you want... play the system you buy...

If you dont like whats offered let you wallet be the "voice" of your arguement...

Hell the machine isnt out yet and look how many people slate it.

We're all go wii, go wii... How many are in your local store now? humm?

Probably NONE... so wheres all the "boo hiss nintendo couldnt organise a distribution exercise if it walked up and lay at their feet" threads?
You completely miss the point.

This isn't about not wanting a ps3 or not, its about Sony treating Europe like dirt.

As for Wii's in your local store, the reason for that is not the lack of supply, it's the amazingly high demand. Ps3's wouldn't be in stock in America right now if people actually wanted to buy one.
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Old 24-02-2007, 05:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You completely miss the point.

This isn't about not wanting a ps3 or not, its about Sony treating Europe like dirt.

As for Wii's in your local store, the reason for that is not the lack of supply, it's the amazingly high demand. Ps3's wouldn't be in stock in America right now if people actually wanted to buy one.


Fair point... BUT is it REALLY that critical that the PS3 wont play a PS2 disk... are PS3 buyers likely to throw away their PS2's.

I for one wouldn't care tuppence if it did nor if it didnt...

Are they really treating europe like dirt OR have they carried out serveys as to how many people actually us the back compatiblity function?

If not that many then why not dump the function... Hey.. it may free up "space" for something better...

My point is this..... Pro Nintendo/360/PS... Just buy the system you want... if the other system doesnt fit your requirements nor expectations then dont buy it..... But for christs sake stop moaning on about it.

im not just directing this at you.. im speaking generally... look on sony boards and you get anti 360 threads.. Look on PC boards and there's the eternal PC vs MAC debate... How the hell do they find time to actually use their chosen format when they spend half their live argueing that they're better so "ner ner ner na nerrr" and the other half trawling the net for anti whatever media to quote.... sheesh....

There... Rant over... im off to play tennis.... (waits for the pro bowling anti tennis thread debate to kick off) hahahahahaha
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I don't see how this is any different to the US version, the backward compatibility aint 100% there either.

It makes sense to have some backward compatibility but its stupid to waste resources on making every obscure game compatible.


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Are they really treating europe like dirt OR have they carried out serveys as to how many people actually us the back compatiblity function?
Yes they are.
North America release date Nov 17 06
Japan release date Nov 11 06
Europe release still not here yet.....Mar 23 07...over 1 third of a year late

Price of 60Gb console in GBP
North America price £284
Japan price £231
Europe price £425

this price discrepancy is more than just 'regional variation' (more like "lets scalp Europe, woopeeeeeeee")

Price of a game rrp in GBP
North America price £28
Japan price £31
Europe price £50

ditto. Again, I'm sure surveys weren't carried out showing that we want to pay more

Unable to even get a 20Gb version over here.

Not helped by comments from the head of SCEE Europe something along the lines of "Historically, Europeans don't mind waiting for longer and paying more for Playstation".

Nothing to do with the console itself from a technical viewpoint, but yes, Sony Europe does treat us like poo. You never hear SCEI or SCEA pi55ing off their customer base like this do you?

I don't think i'll be a launch customer (well, it's between the 360 and a ps3 for me), but a year down the line, it would be interesting to compare prices between those two and what games are on offer.....and if Sony do a 20% price drop like they have in Japan, I think £340 would be slightly more tempting (......slightly )

Re: Backwards compatibilty, not essential no, but quite a good idea all the same. In the same way that I can play Rogue Squadron series again on my wii, I would love to be able to play the SilentHill series again on the PS3.
Also, I think if they want to reduce functionality for Europe, I should see a price drop shouldn't I?

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I think the government has something to do with the high price, not just the ps3 but all consumer goods.



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Well I think this is more than just regional variation re:goverment taxes and the such.
Example: Macbook pro 15" 2.16GHz.....US price=$1999=£946.........UK price=£1349 which = 42.6% more over here (actual prices so takes 'regional variations' into account)

whereas PS3 60Gb.....US Price=$599=£284...........UK price=£425 which = 49.6% more.

That's 7% "over the odds" for the ps3.......and proves, imo, that we are being scalped (yes, it's only £20-odd quid, but that's nearly half a game )

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