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Old 23-03-2008, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't want to give you a sob story, but I would like to point out a few things you might not be aware of.

As many of you know, I part own and run a busy little pub. Although I have swallowed the duty increase and not passes it on, a lot of talk in the pub comes to the price of alcohol now. Especially the 'It's 4p a pint, so why have pubs added 15-20p a pint' conversation.

The 4p per pint is the extra cost to the brewer. As it is duty though, every time money and alcohol meet, another 4p is added. So 4p to the brewer, plus 4p when it is kegged (done by another company), plus 4p if another brewer buys it, plus 4p when the pub buys it from the brewer = 16p, rounded up to 20p/pint. It is not the pub being greedy. I have swallowed this increase because I find it morally wrong to charge any more than I absolutely have to in order to make a living.

The reason I am telling you all this? Supermarkets buy alcohol straight from the brewer - a maximum of 8p per pint increase, which they can easily swallow with the money they make selling other goods. They have already taken much trade away from independent grocers, bakers and butchers to name but a few, and now that pubs are closing at a rate of 30/week ( British Beer & Pub Association - News )

This is why I am bringing to the forums attention an online petition to reverse the duty increase for draught, so that pubs don't have to price themselves out of the market, leading them to closure, whilst supermarkets continue to enjoy taking the mickey with loss-leading (selling cheaper than they buy in) prices.

Thank you for taking the time to read this - the papers are very one-sided in their portrayal of the alcohol business - especially as they are all based in London and forget rural pubs are very different. I just wanted to put another perspective on things. If you would like to sign the petition, it can be found here:

Petition to: resist calls to substantially increase tax on alcohol.

PS No worries if you choose not to sign it, I'm well aware that some people believe this duty increase will tackle binge drinking, etc etc. That is your view and you are more than entitled to it. I will say one thing though. Next time you see a 'drunken youth' - either in the street on in a picture in the paper - have a look at what they are drinking. Is it pints bought from the pub? Or Alcopops (which can be bought in pubs, but personally I believe should be banned completely - that's another story) and cans/bottles, bought at '8 for £5' from their local off-license.

Again, thank you for reading this

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Old 23-03-2008, 08:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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SIgned it!
That's attrocious of them! And they think this'll stop kids buying alcohol?
Ha, they'll just buy the cheap crap and STILL get wasted and cause trouble!


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PS No worries if you choose not to sign it, I'm well aware that some people believe this duty increase will tackle binge drinking, etc etc. That is your view and you are more than entitled to it. I will say one thing though. Next time you see a 'drunken youth' - either in the street on in a picture in the paper - have a look at what they are drinking. Is it pints bought from the pub? Or Alcopops (which can be bought in pubs, but personally I believe should be banned completely - that's another story) and cans/bottles, bought at '8 for £5' from their local off-license.

Again, thank you for reading this

Very true. Although I don't agree that Alcopops should be banned. They're not the reason for underage drinking. I enjoy Smirnoff Ice because I like the taste. Also, they're commonly enjoyed by woman (where I live anyway). Binge drinking is definitely a problem that needs more attention. Harsh attention.




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Old 23-03-2008, 08:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Very true. Although I don't agree that Alcopops should be banned. They're not the reason for underage drinking. I enjoy Smirnoff Ice because I like the taste. Also, they're commonly enjoyed by woman (where I live anyway). Binge drinking is definitely a problem that needs more attention. Harsh attention.
The reason I would see them banned is because:

1) Brightly coloured with names such as WKD are clearly targeted at younger people (not necessarily under age)
2) They have a high alcohol content, disguised under a very sweet taste
3) They are only available in bottles which are proven to lead to quicker drinking
4) Because of all the above, you end up with people drinking several quickly as they are so sweet, and the strength not hitting people until half an hour later or so.

And they are cheap. You can have a cocktail that tastes exactly the same as Smirnoff Ice for example. But it will cost over £6!

To surmise; they are strong, sweet drinks, designed to be attractive to younger people and drunk quickly.

There will always be exceptions to the rules, but have a look in any student town or city - once the students have drunk enough of their normal drink, and a couple of shorts, they move onto alcopops because they taste nothing like alcohol. I know this because I was one who did this!
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Old 23-03-2008, 08:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Signed! I agree with everything you said there, good luck with this.
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Old 23-03-2008, 09:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'll sign it, heh, im not allowed to buy alcohol yet as im 16, and to be honest i'm probably one of the few that don't drink it, on the rare occasions like christmas or what not, but never got smashed out my face lol. I'll sign it because i hate supermarkets
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Old 23-03-2008, 09:04 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I read it and your welcome dude

I was shocked to find a pint was 20p more expensive on friday night, and also gutted since I was 60p short for a 3 person round so had the embarrassing walk back to 'her indoors' to get her purse out :(

I'll sign it, but are they going to listen to us 'small' folk? Maybe a wiitalk trip to london is in order...i'll drive

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Old 23-03-2008, 09:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i'll sign it ed! i hate whats happening to the pub industry (a big part of our heritage is going ) i also hate the term "binge drinker" people use it as if its a new thing but it's always been there i used to be a very heavy drinker but it was all done in pubs i never brought alcohol from supermarkets etc as i just love the whole pub social experiance! soon there will only be large chain= weatherspoons= no atmosphere pubs left!
its a very sad state of afairs just this year alone 3 pubs have shut down in quarrybank where i live

im staying on the fence with the alcho pop debate! i think people should have a choice what they want to drink the youngsters around here tend to drink white cider (frosty jack etc) not so much alcho pops!

anyway long live our pub industry!





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Old 23-03-2008, 09:55 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thank you guys. I am campaigning for the trade magazine the publican to organise a protest march.

And snazy, are you married to Warios better half then?
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