to be honest - i see you bang on about online and how it doesnt come wit a mic. but thats not wot the wii is about. it sounds like you just want a cheap xbox or PS3.
I want to have a reason to care about the Wii online service over the 360's. I want to be able to talk to mates who don't have the 360 but do have a wii. I cannot do that yet, there are people on this site I'd love to play but with no headset you can't start to build up friends and communitys. Sure the Wii isn't strictly about online but that doesn't mean Nintendo can't accomidate for a large following of people who want it and don't want friend codes. Remember the Ds has a headset, currently only in Japan and NA.
Now the problem with this forum is its full of a majority of GC owners or new gamers who've never experienced a good online interface like Halo2 and are happy with the bare minimum. I want to know when Brawl eventually does come out, its going to have a headset, dedicated servers and the works. Its what im used to, its what the francise deserves, its what people actually want maybe not here but all over IGN's forums and various Wii websites. Since I'd rather play a Nintendo game online than an Xbox game I'd like to have a good service.
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You moaned about the fact that the big three had been pushed back, well they were released at their schedule dates, they'd be sh*t, then you'd be even more upset.
Pfft, I've said it all along, if Nintendo promises something Q1 2007 you expect it to be finished for that time. You seem to neglect the fact Nintendo either lied about the release date, lied about the game being unfinished or both.
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By christmas, MP3, Brawl and Galaxy will wet your juices and last you for this generation. Theres plenty of innovation in those games, online super smash, a natural way of playing Metriod and an all new Mario game.
As stated earlier Brawl isn't coming till 2008. Just because a series is going to finally have online doesn't make it innovative. Especially when we look at services like Mario Kart DS which didn't feature a hint of customisation or even the majority of the race tracks. MP3 isn't innovative (its boring imo) its the same basic gameplay of the last 2 games with new controls, same as last year with Zelda. Galaxy lets be serious is just like Sunshine, the location is so different it feels innovative though I will agree it looks varied enough to not feel redundant.
My arguement is simply Nintendo is just showing us how old games work with new controls, with the occasional software perferal for the none gamer.
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I think you're being a gloomy Gus killarapp, and i dont think you're appreciating the good in the Wii and in what Nintendo are doing for gaming
As someone previously stated, Nintendo are limited only by their imagination and they seem to be just reusing old labels and having us wait on the same games as we did for the gamecube.
[i]I want to have a reason to care about the Wii online service over the 360's. I want to be able to talk to mates who don't have the 360 but do have a wii. I cannot do that yet, there are people on this site I'd love to play but with no headset you can't start to build up friends and communitys. Sure the Wii isn't strictly about online but that doesn't mean Nintendo can't accomidate for a large following of people who want it and don't want friend codes. Remember the Ds has a headset, currently only in Japan and NA.
Even if Wii did introduce a headset, it wouldnt be to your liking as it would use friend codes, similar to how the voice chat was it Metroid Prime Hunters, and that voice chat wasn't even in game. Nintendo just arent heading that route, it would be nice but I doubt it will take off with Wii. 360 major selling point is its Xbox Live service and Wii has motion-sensored gaming.
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[i]Now the problem with this forum is its full of a majority of GC owners or new gamers who've never experienced a good online interface like Halo2 and are happy with the bare minimum. I want to know when Brawl eventually does come out, its going to have a headset, dedicated servers and the works. Its what im used to, its what the francise deserves, its what people actually want maybe not here but all over IGN's forums and various Wii websites. Since I'd rather play a Nintendo game online than an Xbox game I'd like to have a good service.
Again, same as before
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[i]Pfft, I've said it all along, if Nintendo promises something Q1 2007 you expect it to be finished for that time. You seem to neglect the fact Nintendo either lied about the release date, lied about the game being unfinished or both.
But your going on as though Microsoft or Sony have never put a delay on a game, all three do it.
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As stated earlier Brawl isn't coming till 2008. Just because a series is going to finally have online doesn't make it innovative. Especially when we look at services like Mario Kart DS which didn't feature a hint of customisation or even the majority of the race tracks. MP3 isn't innovative (its boring imo) its the same basic gameplay of the last 2 games with new controls, same as last year with Zelda. Galaxy lets be serious is just like Sunshine, the location is so different it feels innovative though I will agree it looks varied enough to not feel redundant.
Melee, Sunshine and MP2 (even though MP was better), were great games. Adding more features and at the same time, bring them over to Wii, gives it a completely different feel. How much more innovation do you want. Don't tell me Microsoft and Sony are more innovative cos thats BS. Also, these games were great already so why change alot when they're fine already. You must find all sequels boring with such high expectations of "innovation".
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My arguement is simply Nintendo is just showing us how old games work with new controls, with the occasional software perferal for the none gamer.
No they're not, they just getting started. It seems to me you always seem to use 360 as an example of how a nex gen console should be, and I think its only that way because was released first and so your expectations for Wii had been swayed already. No doubt if Wii was released first, Microsoft fans would be saying "Where's the innovation, where's the motion sensored controls?"
Just give it time, Wii is only 9 months, whilst 360 is 21 months old, so obviously they are gonna be ahead regarding their software library. Oh yh, and its not as Ninty are gonna release Brawl at christmas 08, it just gonna be Jan or Feb, if they're releasing a finished Brawl in Dec 07.
Even if Wii did introduce a headset, it wouldnt be to your liking as it would use friend codes, similar to how the voice chat was it Metroid Prime Hunters, and that voice chat wasn't even in game. Nintendo just arent heading that route, it would be nice but I doubt it will take off with Wii. 360 major selling point is its Xbox Live service and Wii has motion-sensored gaming.
Just give me a headset so I can play with friends and actually communicate with them. Friend codes are annoying but don't ruin the community the way not having a HS does. Since the majority of people ive discovered want online play and good online at that Nintendo not providing is just annoying people.
But your going on as though Microsoft or Sony have never put a delay on a game, all three do it.
No im not, thought MS treat Europe with more respect in my book
Melee, Sunshine and MP2 (even though MP was better), were great games. Adding more features and at the same time, bring them over to Wii, gives it a completely different feel. How much more innovation do you want. Don't tell me Microsoft and Sony are more innovative cos thats BS. Also, these games were great already so why change alot when they're fine already. You must find all sequels boring with such high expectations of "innovation".
Don't like metriod, love the others and im not saying I don't enjoy them on the merit of lack of innovation. My point is that Nintendo is using these games to show how controls make them better instead of showing us games designed for such controls aimed at the hardcore audience.
No they're not, they just getting started. It seems to me you always seem to use 360 as an example of how a nex gen console should be, and I think its only that way because was released first and so your expectations for Wii had been swayed already. No doubt if Wii was released first, Microsoft fans would be saying "Where's the innovation, where's the motion sensored controls?"
Just give it time, Wii is only 9 months, whilst 360 is 21 months old, so obviously they are gonna be ahead regarding their software library. Oh yh, and its not as Ninty are gonna release Brawl at christmas 08, it just gonna be Jan or Feb, if they're releasing a finished Brawl in Dec 07.
After crimbo you'll see
I ***** about MS just as frequently on MS forums, about how they are too focused on one or two genres of games. At least their console has decent 3rd party support.
You guys are just assuming the games industry now theve seen the Wii are working on a ton of great games ripe with innovation. I bet you the games inc just saw the Wii as a cash in console. as it has so far. Take a look at the libary so far, Godfather, Resident evil 4, Medal of honor vanguard just the same games with new controls (exactly as Nintendo is doing).
well if that is your opinion killarapp then i respect it. my opinion is slightly different but hey we are all entitled to our own opinions.
so please, just stop moaning at him everyone, for he is only giving his views, which are entirely his own, which shouldn't really affect you as you have your own
well if that is your opinion killarapp then i respect it. my opinion is slightly different but hey we are all entitled to our own opinions.
so please, just stop moaning at him everyone, for he is only giving his views, which are entirely his own, which shouldn't really affect you as you have your own
no, im not moaning at him, this blog entry is intriguing.
3rd Party Support has been lame for the Wii because developers are finding their feet with the console. I have to acknowledge that Wii is completely different to consoles of the norm. Therefore, it gonna be harder for them to make the killer games, at first that is.
Nintendo arent doing the same thing, Nintendo have barely put out any of their games yet, so you cant say that at the moment.
Your not giving the Wii enough time Killarapp, just wait till christmas, because that when the good games will be rolling in, if you still dont like them, THEN you can moan all you want lol
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One thing that's clear when reading all of your posts is that you are all using the PS3 and 360 to compare the Wii to. And that makes perfect sense seeing as they are the other 2 consoles avaliable, But if you looked at the Wii on it's own, without comparing it to the other consoles, can you say that you are 100% happy with it?
Of course 100% is impossible (there's always something ) But if you actually take out the comparisons with the other 2 consoles I think the Wii is doing alrite, but not great.
There's still an obvious lack of quality games and online games. The online service does the job, but there's no ability to chat to friends. This isn't essential, but because you can on the 360, it's seen as something that can be done, but isn't on the Wii.
As for the delaying of games, when you take out the 360 and PS3, I think you'd be very disapointed. As Kilarapp said, if they give you a release date you expect them to keep it. I'd rather they gave me a far off date and it come out sooner than a closer date and it come out later
Innovation is being mentioned a lot and it's obvious we won't get this from 3rd party devlopers, they're just out to make money. So it's up to Nintendo and how much of a gamble they want to take with their games. So far it looks like the Mario games are not going to use the Motion Sensing much as they probably view it as took much of a risk to the gameplay! So they're taking the safe option there.
I think it needs Nintendo to create an entitrely new game that will soley be developed with the Wii's Potential in Mind. Look at Wii sports, 5 sports stripped to their bare versions yet enhanced so much by the Wii remote. The reason sports works so well is that Nintendo knew they needed a game that would definately be avaliable on launch (Or bundled with the Console as it was) that could show off the Wii remote and Nunchuks capabilities.
The problem is that it was almost too successful and it's almost like Nintendo feel they have made 'The Motion Sensing game' and can now just go back to using their old franchises of games to keep everyone happy.
The Wii will be successful, but whether it lives up to it's potential in innovation is down to Nintnendo.
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So far it looks like the Mario games are not going to use the Motion Sensing much as they probably view it as took much of a risk to the gameplay! So they're taking the safe option there.
I think it's fair to say that not all games would benefit from motion-sensing controls. What would be the point in, say, an RPG having it for example? Personally, I can't wait to get hold of a game for which I don't need to wave my arms around like a loon.
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The Wii will be successful, but whether it lives up to it's potential in innovation is down to Nintnendo.
I think it's fair to say that not all games would benefit from motion-sensing controls. What would be the point in, say, an RPG having it for example? Personally, I can't wait to get hold of a game for which I don't need to wave my arms around like a loon.
) But if you actually take out the comparisons with the other 2 consoles I think the Wii is doing alrite, but not great.
