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Old 20-05-2008, 10:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello again folks....long time no see .

I've been quite busy recently so haven't had a chance to pop in very often, but I thought I could add a quick blog entry today (Foo and Daze are doing such a cracking job, I thought I could leave it a little while myself ).

So now, what do I chat about?.....hmmmmm......seems like a lot of the more "serious" topics have been dealt with....

....and I'm sure most of you could do without being bored senseless about stock alerts and unit shipments from me .......

.....so......



....how's about a topic which may be old, but which NEVER goes away .
One which many of us are either guilty of or sick to death of?

Yes peeps.....brace yourself for my tirade against Console Fanbois (sp).

---- (I got the idea after laughing my butt off at the brilliant vidlogs of Yahtzee from over at Zero Punctuation - esp. the one where he lays into the idiots who send him (for want of a better word) "hate" mail ).



I'll start by briefly discussing the big 3 contenders:

Sony - I used to LOVE this company. The endless supply of quality titles, the exclusives, the one to have to be "contemporary".....the list goes on.
I had some fantastic gaming moments with my PS2. Games like GT3:A-Spec and MDK2:Armageddon spring to mind.
Then there's the classic GTA series. Vice City Stories was a masterpiece imho. However, whilst playing this game, I realised that it was actually quite repetitive and boring in parts. If you wish to do the missions it mainly resulted in "Pick up Mr X --> Drive him somewhere --> Kill some folk --> Deliver him somewhere else". I quickly realised that the fun of the game was NOT in doing missions, but in randomly carjacking, running folk over and doing stunts. When I used to mention this, the PS2 Fanboys would jump down my throat, "heretic....burn him.....he DARES to insult our beloved game/system" (pitchforks raised, eyes burning with malevolent hatred).
<whisper>Unfortunately, I feel pretty much the same with GTA-IV......however, I can't tell people this because otherwise the thought police will knock down my door and convict me of "free thinking" </whisper> .

Then Sony pull the whole "Giant Enemy Crabs" and "The UK will wait longer and pay more" fiasco , and suddenly it's Fanboy War again......with 360 and PS3 fanboys trading insults all over "teh internets" .

Talking of 360......


Microsoft - First game I played on a Xbox? - Halo. What did I think? Slow and boring. I mean come off it, many levels were "repeats" and you moved as slow as molasses.....almost in reverse. You've got to understand that I came from Quake III and Unreal Tournament ilk from both console and PC......as far as I was concerned, the movement in halo was MIND BENDINGLY, painfully slow.
However, no matter how reasoned my arguments where, it didn't stop a work colleague almost physically attacking me because I had dared to question the console (actually it was the game, not that such a fine point mattered to him) that he had gone out and bought .
At this point in my gaming life, I had begun to truly appreciate how childish fanboys could be.
Halo 3 - Sorry, but yet again, I feel this is an average game....no more no less....at most a "meh" from me....done a hundred times better in games like Gears of War.
Dare I say as much?.....er......not really. As soon as someone does, they're called a troll .

Nintendo - It doesn't just end there ^^^. The Big N also has a lot to answer for. Take one example --> Super Mario Galaxy.
Now, now, stop looking at me like that. Put away that knife and just listen.
The game is FANTASTIC, but it's not without it's flaws.
Whilst doing the purple coin missions, I realised that one particular one I'd already completed twice before.....once in "normal" mission, once in a race against "dark Mario", and now I was being told to do it again but this time collecting purple coins under a time limit.
Why?
I'm sorry, but this just seems like Laziness on the devs part to me. I've never been one for completing games again and again and again (some exceptions are retro games like on C64 and any flight sim ).....but apart from this, I generally trade a game in once I complete it. If I wasn't prepared to Re-Do Silent Hill just to get the new endings all those years ago, I'm certainly not going to start repeating games mindlessly now......AGAIN, this is merely my own opinion, something I personally dislike, but for some reason it's an opinion Fanboys would not like me to have. The fact that I otherwise LOVE the game falls on deaf ears - a trademark of the Fanboy .
Even the new offering of MKWii has serious shortcomings in the way I think they've bodged up the Battle Mode........BUT <puts finger to nose>I didn't say that, right!</conspiratorial whisper>.




So what am I saying? Well, ALL games have their faults. If you do not like a game, it does NOT mean you hate the console. If you own one console, it doesn't mean you should hate the others.
For example, if someone doesn't like flight sims, they're entitled to their opinion......why would I ever feel the need to be insulted?.....the same rule should apply to consoles.
Come to think of it, I have seen this kind of behaviour before. You know.....the "I'm mortally offended because you insulted the console my mum bought for me" crowd. It's pretty similar to how ho's "defend" their pimps in films.
It's made even worse by the fact that many comments are directed towards a specific game rather than the company itself......and it's not as if the Fanboy owns shares in said company.
In fact, said company couldn't give a rat's ar5e about any of it's own fanboys so what are they defending???????.......boggles the mind (it doesn't just apply to consoles of course.....ANYTHING can be "fanboy'd" - I myself like the Apple OS, but as good as that is, I do realise that it has many faults (not as much as some others, but they do exist). On top of this, the hardware can be prone to failure, the prices exorbitant (iPhone!!!!) and the company itself as pig-headed and stubborn as it wants to be (esp. wrt DRM and not willing to rectify manufacturing faults). This is the difference between allowing "reasoned thought" where pros and cons are weighed and acknowledged, and being narrow minded about things.

So there is a fine line between an "ardent supporter" (e.g. of a football club - so long as they can reason sensibly) and a Fanboy (all reason has long since disappeared/failed to develop in the first place).
The question is, do you know which side of this fence you lie?

The following is taken from Gamepro......

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Old 20-05-2008, 10:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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(...cont)

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1. You become upset when something you like is questioned.
Fanboys almost universally interpret criticism as a bad thing, generally responding with hostility. The irony of this is that unbridled enthusiasm benefits no one in the long run. When consumer products are blindly followed without criticism, improvement is frustrated and buyers ultimately get the shaft. It's in everyone's best interest to honestly evaluate what's being sold, be that a system made by Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo.

2. You are intellectually dishonest.
If you truly believe you are always right and can never be wrong, you -- my friend -- are intellectually dishonest. Common side affects include an unwillingness to hear out opposing arguments, an overlying fear of facts, a rejection of the truth, and opining without requisite context or knowledge (even worse, without thoroughly reading the issues being discussed!).

3. You resort to personal attacks during debate.
Fanboys let their myopic revelry define who there are. Pinning your very existence on the success of a mass market product like the Xbox 360 or PS3 can be a scary thing. Thus, personal insecurity often drives fanboys to spew trite insults and hateful speech when engaging with others in a discussion. The Urban Dictionary aptly describes the occurrence, "[They] put down people who don't like whatever it is they like and will disregard any factors that differ from their point of view." If you have a tough time separating emotion from discussion, you might be a fanboy.

4. The defeat of your enemy is more rewarding than your victory.
Rooting for the success of a "team" is one thing. In fact, millions of Americans do this daily for professional sports teams, favored products, even company stock. But relentlessly celebrating the loss of another in place of your own victory is problematic. I'm not talking about cheering when the Yankees lose; I'm talking about finding pleasure in spamming rival console forums, sabotaging Wikipedia entries, and disrupting the peaceful assembly of others.

5. You bring nothing new to a conversation.
Shipped consoles versus sold? We've all heard that tired argument a thousand times. Does it really matter? If you feel strongly about a subject, make an informed, creative case while backing it up with facts and cross-references. Look to enlighten the argument, not rehash the same points ad nauseum. Better yet, try a different approach if you feel you're not being heard. If "you suck" is the best counter argument you have, you're not even trying.

6. You are anti-fanboy.
Don't get me wrong -- no one likes a troll. But if you've made it your life's work to counter and antagonize fanboys, you're only adding to the problem. Anti-fanboys regularly accuse others of being fanboys in derogatory fashion. It's a vicious cycle. The name gets loosely thrown around yet tells more of the individual using the term than the person it's directed at. Calling someone a fanboy without proper cause is merely evidence of a weak mind trying to get noticed.



Now I'm obviously not accusing anyone here of it, but whether you know one or have suffered from one, do you agree with Gamepro's 6 point list?

If not, why not?
If so, why so?



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Old 20-05-2008, 10:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I totally agree with all of this. I know I am a sony fanboy, and I know I am a anti-fanboy to 360 kids, so I actually find those 6 points very good. I know I fit into 1,3,4 and 6.
Great blog Gaffer. I have to agree with Halo being slow. I personally find it to be just another FPS.

(Ya see, there I just went fanboy for the the PSWii)


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Old 20-05-2008, 11:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Since I have all 3 consoles Im not really one to fanboy anymore but I was a huuuuuge ninty fanboy back in the day

HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY CHOICE OF GAMES IMBECILE!

or something along those lines *shuffles away*


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Old 20-05-2008, 11:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I posted a video on youtube of GTA4 and there have been lots of childish comments directed mainly by XBOX users when they find out i have the PS3 version.

Fanboys make the world go round

I wouldnt class myself as ever being a fanboy apart from when it comes to the PES vs FIFA debate and PES pishes all over FIFA but thats just reality.


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I am no fanboy. I only fall into the category of hating fanboys.

On the other side, I also hate those who relentlessly attack fanboys.

I fall into the can't we all just get along category.




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Microsoft - First game I played on a Xbox? - Halo. What did I think? Slow and boring. I mean come off it, many levels were "repeats" and you moved as slow as molasses.....almost in reverse. You've got to understand that I came from Quake III and Unreal Tournament ilk from both console and PC......as far as I was concerned, the movement in halo was MIND BENDINGLY, painfully slow.
However, no matter how reasoned my arguments where, it didn't stop a work colleague almost physically attacking me because I had dared to question the console (actually it was the game, not that such a fine point mattered to him) that he had gone out and bought .
At this point in my gaming life, I had begun to truly appreciate how childish fanboys could be.
Halo 3 - Sorry, but yet again, I feel this is an average game....no more no less....at most a "meh" from me....done a hundred times better in games like Gears of War.
Dare I say as much?.....er......not really. As soon as someone does, they're called a troll .
*lost for words*



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Erm, good article...HOWEVER.
I have to say that you said
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In fact, said company couldn't give a rat's ar5e about any of it's own fanboys so what are they defending
Well - the quote is based on opinion...I beleive that fanboys are so mainstream - there is definately a market for them. Whether it be recycled franchise games or the whole console 'feel'. These people are thought about when making consoles, they have to be as they make a large part of the companies sales and advertising.

Anyway - good blog, I'd like to hear more about the 'physical assualt' at work!




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I think Ninty couldn't care less about Fanboys par se....they are more interested in their "core and casual gamers" whether they're rabid fans or not (i.e. I don't think the fact that they're fanboys comes into it).

For example, the moniker "Nintendo hates Europe" implies that they're not as caring and sharing as one would otherwise think.
Let's see now, Jap=Jan, US=Feb.........EU= end June/Beginning July......nearly 6 bleeding month delay for SSBB to get here .
Now I personally may not get SSBB (for one, I'm sick to death of the 1.5+ YEARS worth of hype ) but this is plenty evidence that they don't really "care" about us at all. I don't care what their arguments are, how is it other consoles like 360 get near simultaneous release dates?.....Like I said, if the Big N repeatedly demonstrates that they don't give a rats ar5e about it's gamers, I don't see what the Fanboys are trying to defend .
....and NO, getting MKWii a measly 2 weeks early is NOT adequate compensation for having to wait half a year for a AAA title .


Oh....the physical assualt was an "almost physical assualt" as mentioned. He was simply VERY pi55ed that I dared to question what he bought - despite my cogent arguments to the contrary (wouldn't even talk to me afterwards ). Then he shoved me off the controller and tried to turn the game off so that "I couldn't see anymore"....like I said, Fanboys make me laugh .

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You got WiiFit 2 weeks early as well. And it isn't that they don't care about you. I think it is because they have to translate every menu to every european language before they send it off to you, while sending it to NA just requires a translation to english. And as for the 360 simultaneous release dates, that means everyone has to wait, and I think that with the mass number of people in japan that own a wii and would buy the game, they don't want to hold them up for too long.


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