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Old 19-03-2007, 10:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Security for kids? On a Wii?
You'd have thought Nintendo would have really considered this with the Wii wouldn't you?
To all intents and purposes, it's doing a great job with it's new console....but is there a basic flaw in it's design?

We live in a world of GaryGlitter's and IanHuntley's. This is very sad to see, but unfortunately seems to be getting worse every day.
The only way to really combat the situation is to batten down the hatches and reinforce the windows...especially when it comes to online communications.

One look at some of the usernames of some of my nephews and nieces online friends is enough to make me raise an eyebrow or too (and these are bona fida school friends I've met and that they see every day). It seems there is very little that can be done to ensure anonymity combined with security when vetting online contacts.
The most obvious way is to ensure the main PC is down in the living room so that you can keep an eye on what the little blighters get up to.
Then of course, there are parental controls that limit what can be accessed (and even when).

But this is all kind of taken for granted because usernames alone seem....well...kind of impersonal don't they? The general consensus is "my username isn't my name.....so I'm still anonymous".....right?......weeeellllll.....

Let's take this onto the Wii. Or rather gaming in general. I remember when I experienced my first online game. It was playing X-Wing on the PC.
I loaded it up and realised I could play with other people via some funny thing called the "internalate" (well, not quite, but you get my gist ). So I configure the settings to run on my measly 56kbps landline and join a funky sounding thing called a Game Room. Up till this point in my life, Game Room implied a dart board, pool table and table football (still does ), so I was very excited about all of it .
On I go and.........................proceed to get the crap beaten out of me by folks across the pond on cable connections with very little lag on their side :(.
It may have taught me the humbleness of that so hallowed of desserts, the humble pie, but it also introduced me to online chat. There I could sit, happily chatting away ("how do you doooooooo? Fancy a cup of tea?") whilst my cockpit filled with smoke and "red-5" decided to rejoin the shipyard in the sky.
Luckily for me, everything was safe and OK, but this wasn't the case with everyone in the world at the time. Pandora's box had already been opened elsewhere and soon you couldn't open the paper without at least one story of some poor kid in Oklahoma being groomed by nasty old men in Thailand.

Thankfully, there has been a general industry acceptance and parental acceptance of tighter controls being needed across the board and, if you're modestly sensible, most online experience for kids is safe.
.....but this doesn't mean it still isn't a worry.

As mentioned, a big aspect is that everything can be VERY anonymous. How does everyone here know I'm a bloke called Gaffer who plays with his Wii? I could be a 95yo lady with a zimmer frame and matching duffle coat for all you know.

Well this is where the Mii's come into it. As far as I know, people make 2 sorts of Mii's. One is a fairly accurate (well, as much as can be) depiction of you that you use for your gaming icon and to huff and puff around the Wii Tennis court.
The second sort of Mii is the novelty Mii.....either obtained from the internet or made yourself.....but that is quite recognisable as a fiction, such as:


When you message someone on your Wii, chances are you've set their truer likeness Mii to their address entry.

So NOW we can put faces to the names. To be fair, we've been able to do this if we wish, for some time with chat clients and the like, but Mii's are focused on it.
All of a sudden, what seems like a good idea has the ability to be abused. Look at it this way...

Dirty Old Man (DOM) has a glance at his Mii Parade. Whilst there, he notices that there's a Mii that looks like this wondering around:

What do you think this represents? An actual likeness or a "fun" fictitious character? Chances are it's the former. So DOM puts this Mii into his Mii Channel and proceeds to message them and eventually befriend them (I find the word "grooming" to be inadeqaute.....it's not ugly enough for such a despicable act imo). To make matters worse, DOM is perfectly capable of naming his Wii "Little Princess" and using something like this as his Mii:

How will anyone know any different?

To make matters EVEN worse, there are sites that even allow people to geographically map where they live! This includes sites such as miiplaza (the source of those random piccies) and mapwii. I'm not saying they are bad in themselves, just that they have the capacity for being dangerous sources of information for the unscrupulous (I myself use both sites, but I'm old enough to be aware that people who request my wii code may not be who they say they are...and have instructed friends'n'family to do the same).
Back to the DOM, he now has a name, a likely true image (albeit a "photofit" one), as well as a geographical location of someone....all obtained fairly easily.
This is a dangerous cocktail imho.

I mentioned battening down the hatches earlier? Well you'd have thought that Parental Controls on the Wii would add deadlocks.
Not so. I find the Parental controls to be frustrating to say the least. For a start, the BIGGEST disadvantage is that to enter the 4 digit pin you choose, you have to visibally choose numbers from a ruddy great keypad on the screen.
Any monkey with even half a brain can simply look at the screen, memorise the number and there goes the security down the drain. There is reason to cover up the hole-in-the-wall as much as possible when withdrawing cash you know........but maybe Nintendo staff only use cheques? :razz:
The other day, I thought I'd experiment with this system (part of what prompted this blog entry) and set the Wii to "restrict internet".
Tried it. Erm......everything I chose restricted apart from the internet :x
Turn console off, then on....same problem with internet set to restricted but actually not restricted at all. 30min later, internet channel decides to go restricted all of a sudden (after i had, in fact, switched it off) .
Also, why do I need to keep entering the PIN to alter certain system settings like "connection test", but not others like "video settings"?

Overall it looks to be a pretty unpolished and poorly thought out affair on Ninty's part. I would welcome a future update that selectively allows PIN control (with dicrete *'s rather than numbers appearing) whenever you wish to add someone to your address book alone rather than the hodgepodge we have now.

The I hear that on the success of the Mii's, Sony decides to create it's own online community channel that looks like a cross between the sims and the Mii Channel. This brings home the advantage the Wii has in having Mii's that still have a small degree of anonymity built in by the virtue of the fact that they're not fully 100% accurate.
However, not to be undone, Ninty soon announce a Mii Popularity Channel, where you can now have your Mii hosted in "pageants" on Ninty's servers in popularity contests.
I find the concept quite bizarre but also think it simply increases the chance of complete strangers anonymously having access to others.
Nintendo will need to tread VERY carefully here if it is to maintain a family friendly online system and not, imho, go chasing after what Sony is or isn't trying to copy.

Despite all my apparent doom'n'gloom, there are simple ways to be safe(r) with your Wii:
1) Treat the Wii as you would MSN.....just because it's all cuddly and fun doesn't mean the people you meet online are.
2) Vet the Mii's that are added to the address book/Mii Channel or that turn up in your Mii Parade as best as you can.
3) DEFINITELY vet the messages being sent from the Wii and being recieved (easier as I presume it would be easy to tell from the grammer the rough age of who wrote it.....not foolproof I know, but a good guide nonetheless).
4) Ensure no personal details such as phone numbers or addresses are being transmitted
5) Ensure you've set your connection to use WPA or WPA2 security...less chance of someone "hacking" your network and gleaning info from it.







Again, I don't mean to be alarmist. The Wii is meant to be about FUN in a safe environment........but it should be thought of as any "internet enabled" machine, it has the ability to be misused.
As long as you keep this in mind, you should have no problems enjoying the Wii to it's fullest.

So have Fun, but above all, be safe.




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Old 19-03-2007, 10:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well Done on that one!!! Alot of thought and alot of great points!


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Some very good points.

Children should be supervised when browsing the internet on the Wii as there is no built-in web filtering software - perhaps this will materialise in the future?
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Old 19-03-2007, 11:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I hate how Nintendo is managing this.

Firstly the internet should, except in schools for research, be banned and off limits to anyone under 13. I say this for several reasons though some stem from how I hate annoying children on my internet.

Take t,other day where I was merrily msning with some gaming pals when a window pops open with a random name wants to add you...

I accept after all I can always block...

It's a kid, 11 who knows my cousin of the same age so felt she could add me... where are the parents? tragically the immature idiots of 10-13 know more about such thing than their folks.

This girl... she doesn't know who I am, the convo begins with 'who are you' and I retaliate by saying she added me. After numourous exchanges to pin down she was a friend of my younger cousin, I blocked. Pedophilles have to be in a state of mental retardation to not groom a child when they act that stupid on the internet.

With Mii's im not as worried, you see no sicko would begin a relationship over a Wii when messaging is so differcult and beginning communication in the first place a trial. Nintendo's mii exchange relies on swapping codes which ultimatly slows down and kills the whole novelty to me.
Pedophilles have chat rooms and instant messengers and far as im aware this rarely happens in online gaming...

Now Microsoft, they don't go on about how 'safe' XL is like Nintendo but their service is much safer. You see MS has parental locks which can disable all internet access on a 360 so I child cant do anything risky like talk to strangers. With XL having a headset and online gaming the risks should be greater but arn't. MS's service is big and popular for it's community wheras Nintendo is in a state where people ridicule and curse their friend codes and why not?

As you said Nintendo's mii's don't work towards safety but are simply tedious and the plans to use friend codes per game (alla DS) online again is ludecrous. Nintendo isn't keeping kids that shouldn't be on the internet safe its wasting the online gamers time.

If kid's just stayed offline where they belong Nintendo wouldn't need to worry about this PR rubbish that ultimatly punishes mature sensible gamers.

What can they do to fix this? keep the wii code model they have now and plan to use in future for parentally locked consoles and give us gamers what we want a free equivelent of the easy, accessable and safe (because we know better) Xbox live.

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Old 20-03-2007, 01:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have read both replies to Gaffer's original outburst and i'll try to avoid repetition......

I understand both the fear and frustration that the situation has provoked. On the one hand there is the possibility for anyone to abuse (no pun intended) the system as it currently stands, on the other an annoying interference in gaming pleasure.

What to do?

In my honest opinion the remedy to this isn't through software, or restrictions, but through stronger family unity. As Killarap says, "where are the parents?". I think its safe to tell you all I have kids. Anyone who has exchanged codes with me will have my kids Mii's wandering on their parade. BUT, and this is maybe different than some people, none of my kids have unrestricted access to the Wii, so they can't use it as a messenger tool. In fact, none of my family use messengers for exactly the reasons stated - anyone can randomly contact you....

Unfortunately our political leaders seem hellbent on getting us all out of real social situations (ciggie anyone?) and into an isolated online world. There is a huge emphasis within the education system to make all kids computer literate, whether or not they are actually literate, and this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. The number of teenagers I've met through work who have no idea about safety or security, but MUST have a Myspace page, is scary. The whole idea of social networking has become, like many other things recently, about being seen to be popular by having lots of connections. Who cares if you only know their screen name?

(btw - i'm not a captain in any capacity apart from online!!)

If, and I know that I sound like an outdated blue party advert, more emphasis was placed on the family unit, on social interactions, on teaching our kids to be responsible and safe and on creating community networks then the rediculous restrictions that mature adult gamers face would not be necessary,IMO.

The parental control features mentioned are only any good if the parents actually have control....... ironically the people that use them are the ones who are least likely to actually need them.

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Amen to that

As i mentioned, neither me nor my family members have had any problems....family cohesion has a BIG part to play in safety online (definitely agreed there), and I also think having the Wii downstairs in the main room rather than "out of sight, out of mind" in the bedroom plays small part too.

....but it's not so much about fear or panic (remember, I don't mean to be alarmist and I don't assume it's "the end of the world"), it's just that it's something that could easily be overlooked by parents as they group the cuddly wuddly Wii into the same group as the Tamogatchi...rather than realising that it's as "connected" as a standard PC.
By making people aware that (however unlikely it may be), there is the ability for the Nintendo Online system to easily be abused, hopefully they can be made more safe online

(ie, meant more as a "public awareness message" rather than "sad-old-bloke wearing The-doom-of-the-world-is-neigh" placards on the street )



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I hate how Nintendo is managing this.

Firstly the internet should, except in schools for research, be banned and off limits to anyone under 13. I say this for several reasons though some stem from how I hate annoying children on my internet.

Take t,other day where I was merrily msning with some gaming pals when a window pops open with a random name wants to add you...

I accept after all I can always block...

It's a kid, 11 who knows my cousin of the same age so felt she could add me... where are the parents? tragically the immature idiots of 10-13 know more about such thing than their folks.

This girl... she doesn't know who I am, the convo begins with 'who are you' and I retaliate by saying she added me. After numourous exchanges to pin down she was a friend of my younger cousin, I blocked. Pedophilles have to be in a state of mental retardation to not groom a child when they act that stupid on the internet.

With Mii's im not as worried, you see no sicko would begin a relationship over a Wii when messaging is so differcult and beginning communication in the first place a trial. Nintendo's mii exchange relies on swapping codes which ultimatly slows down and kills the whole novelty to me.
Pedophilles have chat rooms and instant messengers and far as im aware this rarely happens in online gaming...

Now Microsoft, they don't go on about how 'safe' XL is like Nintendo but their service is much safer. You see MS has parental locks which can disable all internet access on a 360 so I child cant do anything risky like talk to strangers. With XL having a headset and online gaming the risks should be greater but arn't. MS's service is big and popular for it's community wheras Nintendo is in a state where people ridicule and curse their friend codes and why not?

As you said Nintendo's mii's don't work towards safety but are simply tedious and the plans to use friend codes per game (alla DS) online again is ludecrous. Nintendo isn't keeping kids that shouldn't be on the internet safe its wasting the online gamers time.

If kid's just stayed offline where they belong Nintendo wouldn't need to worry about this PR rubbish that ultimatly punishes mature sensible gamers.

What can they do to fix this? keep the wii code model they have now and plan to use in future for parentally locked consoles and give us gamers what we want a free equivelent of the easy, accessable and safe (because we know better) Xbox live.


Killarapp, that's generalising. You're assuming that all people under 13 cannot use the internet because...they're under 13 and all under 13s are immature and annoying.

Not the case.

All that needs to be done is possibly a parental supervision email. The person in control of the internet access point needs to check the user and check that they know the dangers of the internet before their MAC address is allowed.




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meant more as a "public awareness message" rather than "sad-old-bloke wearing The-doom-of-the-world-is-neigh" placards on the street
I kinda realised that, and wanted to add to the debate, not miss the point entirely.Its good that you are trying to open peoples eyes to the potential for danger.

I was recently talking to a copper who's main job is dealing with the aftermath of child abuse. In his words, the number of random peadophilic attacks (by strangers) has not risen. The number of peadophilic attacks by a close family member has risen dramatically in the last 20 years.

Thats not to say we shouldn't protect our kids from strangers, but that it is our perception of risk or danger that has been increased by the media frenzy. . . its not a criticism of you when i use the word 'fear', more of the way that as a society we are relying more and more on electronic methods to communicate as more and more social policy is handed down to us (yes - like a sentence from a court IMO) that forces us not to mingle in proper social situations. Our young 'uns don't have the opportunity to witness 'odd' or 'weird' or 'keep away from people like him' behaviour because we,as adults, are scared for them and overprotect them because every day there is a new Peado story in the news and we fear for their safety...

Anyhooo . . . . thankyou for starting this. It will hopefully provide a thoughtful discussion!


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For the sake of being hypecritical.

I guess I did over genralise the point of 13 unders being annoying and ignorant but I simply haven't found any acceptions EVER.

The media over genralises so much I personally get annoyed when my grandma tells me to 'watch out who your talking to'

After all she doesn't know how to turn a PC on, ignorance is bliss if you listen to the media.
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I think that what was really being said was that people under 13 CAN use the internet and it's a lot of the parents who don't - and it is this that is the problem.

The internet is a fantastic place where people can communicate with people all over the world and find out all sorts of information. Unfortunately it can also be a dangerous place if there are no safeguards in place, and some parents seem to be unaware of the hidden dangers the internet can bring.
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